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Hi,

if I take ypur question literally, there will be no archive that keeps invalid passports because they were held by the person it was exhibited for. The exhibiting authority would keep records of exhibtion. Do you mean such a record?
What purpose do you have in mind?
Fee-based archion.de keeps birth(baptism) record databases for the period 1800 -1874 for Gonzken parish where Dzingellen ( Duingellen should be a mistake) was situated.

Regards,

Thomas

Hello Jack,
your "Heimatschein" is a civil document, in a way an alternative passport, validity 5 years. This paper makes shure that the owner can live and work in another country without loosing his nationality at home. Johann Steinwald needed this document, because his occupation was "Ziegler", that means he was a temporary migrant worker. I doubt whether there is existing such a document for his father.
Here you can see which church-books of Oletzko are available in the states archive of Lyck/Poland.
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Ostpreu%C3%…euburg_(Oletzko)
Gruß - Detlef

Herr v. Roy teilt hierzu mit :

Dem „Heimathschein“ von 1902 zufolge wurde der Ziegler (hier könnte sowohl ein Ziegeleibesitzer als auch ein Ziegeleiarbeiter gemeint sein)
Johann Steinwald am 25. Aug. 1 8 4 2 in Dziengellen / Ostpreußen geboren. Hier kämen 2 Dörfer namens „Dziengellen“ in Betracht,
die heute zum p o l n i s c h e n Teil Ostpreußens gehören:

1. Das Dorf „Dziengellen“ (1938: Dingen) im Kreis Oletzko (1938: Treuburg). Dziengellen (= etwa 10 km südlich von Oletzko gelegen)
gehörte zur Pfarrkirche in G o n s k e n (1938: Herzogskirchen).

2. Das Dorf „Dziengellen“ (1938: Widmannsdorf) im Kreis Goldap. Dziengiellen (= etwa 10 km südöstlich von Goldap gelegen )
gehörte zur Pfarrkirche in G u r n e n .

Man müßte eine Kopie des „Heimathscheins“dem polnischen Staatsarchiv in Allenstein
(= http://www.olsztyn.ap.gov.pl/kontakt )
vorlegen und fragen, ob sich die E l t e r n des Johann Steinwald anhand der Taufbücher von 1 8 4 2 ermitteln lassen. Viel Erfolg!


MfG

Hello Jack,
unfortunately I didn't identyfy the birthplace which I deciphered as Duiengellen. Obviously Billet is right: meant is Dzingellen. Johann Steinwald lived/worked in 1902 in Wilna (today Vilnius, capital of Lithuania).

Dzingellen was a rural commune in the bailwick of Gurnen in the county of Goldap. http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Gurnen.

The available Lutheran churchbooks of Dzingellen/Gurnen are listed here: http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Ostpreu%C3%…de_Kreis_Goldap. Maybe you prefer the LDS database (Mormons) or the EZA Berlin: http://www.ezab.de/
Good luck!

Kind regards
Detlefr

Quoted from "JackPara"

village of I n g l l e n

Hello Jack,
now I am a litte bit confused. The "Heimatbrief" and the birth certificate are about "Dzingellen". Dzingellen was germanized in 1938 "Dingeln". Have you ever researched the Gurnen churchbooks? See my note from today 11:09 h.
Kind regards
Detlef

http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?o…einwald&lang=de
Hello Jack,
three
days after starting the thread you presented the above secondary
source, the "OFB" Marggrabowa (Treuburg). This is what this key-info
says:
In the past during Martin St. life there
was an incidently change of the surname from Steinwart to Steinwald.
steinwart is an occupation name and Steinwald is a location name.
Nowadays both names are on the same level less comman in Germany. There
is a certain concentration in Northwest, not strong enough for
deductions.
https://geogen.stoepel.net/ : input the name and press enter
Martin
St. was not married. Together with Sophia Lipinski he had two children
born in Dzingellen. From the "Heimatbrief" we know, that the son Johann
ST. was a migrant brickmaker who went to Wilna/Vilnius/Lithuania where
his mother Sophia died in 1919.
Martin St. came back to
Dzingellen allready in the 1860s. Together with Maria Tichel born in
Szypliszki/Poland he had another two illigitimate children, the first
born in Dzingellen and the second in Schedlisken/Lyck/Poland.

Quoted

Warum schlagen Sie vor, in Gurnen nach Kirchenbüchern zu suchen?

I
wonder why all those data from Dzingellen are in the OFB of Marggrabowa
(was it why he was unwedded and his potential brother Mathis born 1835
lived together with his legitimate family in Rosochatzken/Marggrabowa?).
Dzingellen is part of the parish of Gurnen.
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Ostpreu%C3%…de_Kreis_Goldap.
Scroll down to Gurnen and take in mind the footnote d.).
Martin
St. was probably born between 1832 and 1842, 30 to 20 years before
Johannes St. was born. From my point of view you have only tiny chances
to get a step forward:
1.) by churchbook of Gurnen
2.) "Heimatbrief" if Martin St. was also a migrant worker: https://www.ahnen-spuren.de/ostpreussen/heimatbriefe
3.) by special East Prussia genealogy forum: ww.ostpreussen.net/ostpreussen/forum.php

4.) by incident
Kind regards
Detlef