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Thursday, September 5th 2013, 1:35am

BARTELS or PRALOW in Malchow and Rostock

Hello

I am trying to find out if Mariane BARTELS, the mother in the following 1867 census entry...

Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census 1867
Malchow: 5157 (S.A. MALCHOW)
Image 176 of 205

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18101-113660-97

...is the same lady as "Frau BARTELS ? PRALOW", the widow mentioned in this 1900 Zählkarten census entry...

Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census, 1900
St. Jakobi-Gemeinde, Rostock (weibliche Zählkarten): 2296 (Rostock)
Image 171 of 1626

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11082-132646-0

Here is her corresponding Haushaltungslisten census entry...

Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census, 1900
St. Jakobi-Gemeinde, Rostock (Haushaltungslisten): 2272 (Rostock)
Image 588 of 891

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11757-67603-43

Where can I look to find an 1855-ish marriage for Carl BARTELS and his wife Mariane, who in 1900 is hopefully Anna BARTELS née PRALOW.

Or is there a birth index for the children mentioned in the 1867 census which will list the maiden name of the mother.

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Failing that, do you think the marriage or births would be found in the following church books...

Kirchenbuch, 1698-1888
Evangelische Kirche Malchow

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/214075

Many thanks
Beg

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "BegClonrode" (Sep 5th 2013, 4:39am)


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Thursday, September 5th 2013, 7:05am

Anna was born in Malchow, she lived in Malchow 1867. Most likely the children were born there too. The marriage may not have been happened in the town, but it is possible that it is at least mentioned in the church records of Malchow. In the later 19th century the pastors also noted the proclamation of marriages, if bride and/or groom are of his parish. So I would suggest looking through the films you found.
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Friday, September 6th 2013, 3:11am

Quoted from "Zwobot"


Anna was born in Malchow, she lived in Malchow 1867.


Hello Zwobot...

Thanks very much for your reply.

I don't read German so what part of Anna's 1900 census form says that she lived in Malchow in 1867.

Regards
Beg

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Friday, September 6th 2013, 7:17am

In her census card of 1900 the line number 5 "Geburtsort" is the birth place and it says Malchow.

And you provided the 1867 household list yourself, so the family was enumerated in Malchow 1867. ;)
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Friday, September 6th 2013, 10:13am

Hello again Zwobot,

My apologies :-)

I meant to ask what makes you say that "Mariane" (1867) and "Anna" (1900) are the same person.

I hope that they are but I have no proof that they are.

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One other question please...

On the 1900 Zählkarten what is the word on line 1 between "BARTELS" and "PRALOW". It looks like "ynb."

Many thanks again
Beg

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Saturday, September 7th 2013, 2:03am

Hi Beg,



the "word" means "geborene" in english "nee"

Regards Renate

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Saturday, September 7th 2013, 7:17am

Hello again Zwobot,

My apologies :-)

I meant to ask what makes you say that "Mariane" (1867) and "Anna" (1900) are the same person.

I hope that they are but I have no proof that they are.

No apologies needed, it seems to be me fault. :S

Nonetheless, looking through the church records should give an answer. Looking for the marriage record of Mariane and looking for the birth record Anna should do the trick.
Warnung, frei laufenden Bären niemals auf die Schnauze hauen!

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Sunday, September 8th 2013, 2:12am

Hello again...

@ Renate - Thanks for the translation

@ Zwobot - Yes it looks like loaning the microfilms from FamilySearch is the way to go.

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One last question :-)

Would it be worthwhile contacting the Registry Office (Standesamt) in Rostock and asking them to search their records for the death of Frau Anna BARTELS geborene PRALOW. I assume she would have died between 1900 and 1940. She may have moved from 51 Feldstrasse(?) but maybe not.

The following webpage has a few email links I could try...

Bereiche des Standesamtes
http://rathaus.rostock.de/sixcms/detail.…mt_de&_sid1=r..

Is contacting a local registry office common practice in German genealogy or not.

Thanks again for your advice :-)

Regards
Beg

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Sunday, September 8th 2013, 8:44am

You may directly ask the Stadtarchiv (city archive) they have all death records up to 1983. In Germany records are moved from civil registry to archives after some time (110 years for birth records, 80 for marriages and 30 for deaths).
http://rathaus.rostock.de/sixcms/detail.…=&_sid4=&_sid5=


I looked in the address books of Rostock which are available at ancestry.com:

1900 Bartels, A., Wittwe, Helenenstr. 19
1904 no entry
1908 Bartels, M., geb. Pralow, Wwe., Kasernenstr. 15
1910 Bartels, Marie, geb. Pralow, Wwe., Kasernenstr. 72
1912 Bartels, Mirjahne, Wwe., Borwinstr. 28
1914 no entry
1918 no entry

It may help to narrow down the year of death.
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Monday, September 9th 2013, 1:01pm

Hello again Zwobot :-)

What a great find. Thanks again for taking the time to help.

I have another "one last question" :-)

I looked at the Rostock addresses on ancestry and there is a 1900 and a 1902 entry for a BARTELS at Feldstrasse 51. I think this is the address on the 1900 Haushaltungslisten

1900 Haushaltungslisten - Image 588 of 891
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11757-67603-43

1900 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1n/

1902 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1o/

Do the entries list Frau BARTELS as a blacksmith's widow (Schmiede-Wwe). I ask because there is a C BARTELS living in various addresses on Feldstrasse from 1877 onwards and he is a Schmiedegeselle, which google tells me is an assistant blacksmith.

Unfortunately there is also an 1896 entry for C BARTELS and his wife Marianna geb. PRALOW which lists Herr BARTELS as a factory worker (fabrikarbeiter), not a blacksmith. Also there is a "Jahr d. Ausbebg. - 1873". Not sure what that means.

Are you able to make any sense of it :-)

1896 - Factory Worker
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1p/

1896 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1q/

Once again, thanks for your help. I'm pretty sure we're on the right track. Hopefully the next step will be certificates and parish registers.

All the best
Beg