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Saturday, March 15th 2014, 6:23pm

(ex. sig) ?

What is the meaning of (ex. sig) with regard to a coat of arms?

Thanks,

(Mrs.) Chris Swan

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Sunday, March 16th 2014, 3:03pm

Hello Chris,

can you write down the whole phrase or (even better) show a copy of it, please.

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Detlef

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Sunday, March 16th 2014, 4:46pm

Hallo!

thank you for your reply. It's from Siebmacher's. Here is part of the page with the (ex. sig.) abbreviation:

Schwan II. (Esthland).
Major Joh. v. Schwan zu Tuttomäggi in Esthland, t 1748.
Salomon Joh. v. Schwan (nannte sich selbst Baron), geb. 1722, verheirathet mit Baronesse v. Rosen, Erbherr zu Tuttomäggi, wurde 1786 in Geschlechtsbuch (Nr. 3) der esthländ. Statthalterschaft eingetragen, hatte Nachkommenschaft.

Wappen. (Tafel 130. 131).
Sein Wappen war [u](ex. sig.)[/u] ein blauer Schild, darin auf silbernen Wellen schwimmend, ein silberner Schwan. Helm: derselbe in ganzer Figur, im Schnabel drei Pfaufedern haltend.
Ein sehr ähnliches Wappen, das wir zur Vergleichung auf Tafel 131 geben, bringt Siebmacher IV. 160 sub "Geadelte."

I did a Google search for this and only came up with an image for a Wikimedia page with the Wappen of Kaiser Leopold I. (ex. sig). I also tried a search for Latin abbreviations, but found nothing. Then I tried a search for Latin genealogical words and got to the "FamilySearch.org" pages. Although the (ex. sig.) is not there in total. the ex. part is defined as "from" and words beginning with sig are sigillum and signum, meaning seal and sign, so I am guessing that the "ex. sig." means that the picture and description of the coat of arms was made from a seal.

Thanks again for your help,

Chris
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Sunday, March 16th 2014, 4:51pm

Am I correct in believing that the extra graphics like italics and underlining do not work? Or am I just using them incorrectly?

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Sunday, March 16th 2014, 7:07pm

Yes, you are :)

But I don't know what's wrong with your code.
Suchliste:
Deutsch-Böhmen, Kreis Trautenau: Rose, Schirmer, Marcik, Sepper, Tamm, Baudisch

Hinterpommern, Kreis Deutsch Krone: Riebschläger, Lange, Hartwig, Schmidt, Göck, Polzin, Sperling

Mecklenburg, Kreis Wismar: Eggert, Schwarz

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Sunday, March 16th 2014, 7:42pm

Hallo,

ich habe mal in Deinen Einstellungen die Darstellung von BBCodes aktiviert - nun sollte alles klappen.
Viele Grüße
Henriette :)

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Monday, March 17th 2014, 9:16am

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ich habe mal in Deinen Einstellungen die Darstellung von BBCodes aktiviert - nun sollte alles klappen.


Hi Chris,

just in case that isn't clear, for future topics and replies:

when you reply to a topic (or start one), underneath the text entry box you will see 4 tabs
- Smileys, Settings, Attachments und Quotes.
Click on the "Settings" tab, and then click on
X Enable BBCode in this message
You can use BBCode to format your message, if this option is enabled.


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Monday, March 17th 2014, 9:31am

Hello Chris,

I speculate it means "ex signo" = by a seal. (Latin: signum = English: seal)

Kind regards
Detlef

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Monday, March 17th 2014, 3:42pm

Thanks everyone.

Chris

(Life is a learning experience.)

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 10:40pm

Hallohh
ex sig. = ex sigillum (or signum)
in other words the source for blazoning and redraftig the arms was a seal (Siegelabdruck) or a signet (Petschaft)
That way you often do not have the colors unless there is hatching, which obviously was the case here.
mfG

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "rekem" (Mar 18th 2014, 10:51pm)


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Wednesday, March 19th 2014, 9:40am

Hello rekem,

only a grammar detail: "ex sig. = ex sigillo (or signo)" - "ex" is demanding the 5th case (=ablative).

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Detlef

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Wednesday, March 19th 2014, 9:52am

Great !
It's exactly 71 years ago that I was learning that and it is inexcusable that so many grey cells disappeared. I'm really sorry for that. It should not happen again.
mfG