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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 7:05am

Bohringer / Böhringer ( possibly ) HELP PLEASE

I am searching for Gottlieb R Böhringer ( <-- I am told this is the possible German spelling from older family BUT - no proof and they were not 100% sure on original spelling )

B Aug 1870 - Stuttgart, Neckarkreis, Württemberg, Germany

D USA - Dec 1938

Possible parents Gottlieb C Böhringer & Sofie Cath Roth ( again NO firm proof found as of now )

I would appreciate any direction for online research.
:danke:

:P Carol 8o

Detlef05

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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 9:01am

Hello Carol,

did you allready check the LDS-database? If not, here is an overview of what is available: http://www.igi-index.de/?page_id=65.

Kind regards
Detlef

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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 4:20pm

Carol,

which documents do you have from the United States?
What are your sources for Stuttgart as place of birth and Gottlieb and Sofia as parents?

If this is your Gottlieb R, he seems to be born in 1871, not 1870: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NHB4-RZJ
Gruß
Anita

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "animei" (Oct 8th 2014, 4:26pm)


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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 4:42pm

born in 1871
Baptized (not born) in Sept. 1871.

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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 4:51pm

Ja ja, das ist schon klar, aber wenn er im September 1871 getauft wurde und der Geburtsmonat mit August angegeben wird, gehe ich schon davon aus, dass die Geburt auch 1871 war. Muss natürlich nicht so sein. Ich weiß ja nicht, woher Carol ihre Informationen hat, aber z. B. in den Volkszählungen stimmen die Jahre ja meist nicht genau.
Gruß
Anita

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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 5:20pm

Hallo Anita,

wenn wir uns in den Bereich der Spekulation begeben wollen, können wir ja auch annehmen, dass Gottlieb R. Bö. und Gottlieb C. Bö. Brüder (oder Vettern) mit einem Altersunterschied von einem Jahr waren.
Possibly Gottlieb R. Bö. and Gottlieb C. Bö. are not the same person but brothers or cousins.

Gruß
Detlef

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Wednesday, October 8th 2014, 5:35pm

Das verstehe ich jetzt zwar nicht ganz, aber spekulieren bringt eh nichts. Carol sollte erst mal weitere (aus Amerika) bekannte Details liefern. Ich vermute nämlich, die vermeintlichen Eltern hat sie auch nur bei familysearch gefunden.

Carol, where in the United States was your Gottlieb living? Who was his wife? When did he emigrate?

I found a Gottlieb, who died in 1938 in Michigan, but he seems to be born abt 1860.
Gruß
Anita

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "animei" (Oct 8th 2014, 5:37pm)


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Thursday, October 9th 2014, 6:48am

WOW I was hoping for one persons help - THANK you Here is what I have to answer what you all said

Detlef05 = YES I did

animei = this is what I have (below) Yes that record is Christening record in 1871 - NO not in Michigan always lived and Died in Chicago, Illinois, USA



----- Here is what I know or 'think" I know so far...

1910, 1910, 1920 = US Censu's ( has known children listed )

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Birth either = 8/15/1870 or 8/16/1870

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Lived & was married in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA = BOTH TIMES

---- First record ----

German Select Birth And Baptisms 1558-1898 ( in German )

Baptism - Stuttgard, Neckarkreis, Württemberg, Germany
(Record FHL File Number 1055629 Ref ID Number p63 No550) listed on this record are the names that family "thought" was his parents"

Father: Gottlieb Christian Böhringer

Mother: Sofie Cath. Roth

(Source Information: Ancestry.com. Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013)


---- Second record ----

Illinois Death and Stillbirth Index,1916-1947

Died in a tragic home Fire in Chicago 12/7/1938 - His 2nd wife and their only child almost perished but were able to escape.


( I do know burial and death info - need proof of parents/siblings/birth - before USA)

I have his marriage liscense & found 2nd marriage info online.

Married to


1- Ida K Christensen ( unsure on her maiden name there has been some confusion & She died due to complications from female surgery) - they had 4 children

2-Delia Kennedy ( she had children with her 1st husband and was widower ) She married my grandfather and
together they had one son. Robert Gottlieb 1924-1995

----

I have family that verified the aprox birth, possible father & Mother's name, Both wifes.

BUT BEFORE HE came to the USA I am lost ... would like to find that info.. :wacko:

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NOTE: I came across some Arrival records but his name - well lets just say its popular among immigrants here in USA during his time of arrival... I do not know that they are him...


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I also came across these with same parents .. BUT dunno if is his siblings or not ? There is NO one alive who knows his siblings/parents... :evil:

1.
Name: Wilhelm Boehringer

Gender: Male

Birth Date: 1 Mrz 1876 (1 Mar 1876)

Birth Place: Stuttgart, Württemberg, Germany

Baptism Date: 28 Mai 1876 (28 May 1876)

Father: Gottlieb Boehringer

Mother: Sophie Roth

FHL Film Number: 1055638 / Reference ID: 226

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2.

Name: Gottfried Paul Boehringer

Gender: Male

Birth Date: 22 Jan 1878

Baptism Date: 3 Feb 1878

Baptism Place: Stuttgart, Württemberg, Germany

Father: Gottlieb Boehringer

Mother: Sophie Roth

FHL Film Number: 1055638 / Reference ID: 37

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3.
Name: Gottfried Hugo Boehringer

Gender: Male

Birth Date: 22 Jun 1881

Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1881

Baptism Place: Stuttgart, Württemberg, Germany

Father: Gottlieb Boehringer

Mother: Sophie Roth

FHL Film Number: 1055638 / Reference ID: 270

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4.
Name: Gottfried Otto Böhringer

Gender: Male

Birth Date: 4 Aug 1882

Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1882

Baptism Place: Stuttgart, Württemberg, Germany

Father: Gottlieb Böhringer

Mother: Sophie Roth

FHL Film Number: 1055639 / (nothing else with this one )

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:danke:

:P Carol 8o

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "LostNOT4gotn69" (Oct 9th 2014, 7:04am)


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Saturday, October 11th 2014, 9:15pm

Hi Carol,

What you can do is search for the family in the familybooks.
There is Gottlieb Robert born in 1870/1871 (?) and Mathilde born in 1873. Both are baptized at the Hospitalkirche in Stuttgart. So maybe the parents got married about 1869/1870.
So search the film nr. 1054312 or 1054313 for the familyregister


https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/…story%20Library


Good luck


Evi

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Saturday, October 11th 2014, 9:37pm

Hi

Msi1862 / Evi

I appreciate your assistance I will search that link and see if I can find a link.

Have a Blessed day.

Carol.
:danke:

:P Carol 8o

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Saturday, October 11th 2014, 11:22pm

Carol, do you have one single American document attesting that your Gottlieb Robert was born in Stuttgart?

The first that you have to do, is to look for all information you can find in the United States: Naturalization papers, death certificate.... and not until you know his actual place of birth you can start with your search in Germany.

Everything else is only speculation.
Gruß
Anita

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Thursday, October 16th 2014, 10:29pm

Hi animei,

Sorry for delay in response... I have the coroners report of his death. On this record the info for his place of birth just lists Unknown "GERMANY" // name for parents & their places of birth -- say the same thing.

I was able to find church he was married to my biological grandmother Ida.
They did send me a Marriage Certificate from the church - but they can not find any other records.

THATS ALL I HAVE !
See why I am lost !

Thanks Carol
:danke:

:P Carol 8o