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Charlesodi

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Tuesday, January 26th 2016, 2:38pm

ODY family from Beltheim

Hello all.

I´m from Brazil, and a descendant from one of the first 7 Ody family members that migrated to Rio Grande do Sul state between 1860 and 1862.

Peter Joseph Ody (*11/April/1845-+19/Jun/1924), is my gran gran granfather, and he arrived Brazil on 03/Aug/1862.

His parents Mathias Ody (Sevenich *16/Oct/1797-?) and Margaretha Schwab (Beltheim *25/Oct/1806-?) married 23/Jan/1830.

I appreciate you could share any kind of information on my ancestors listed here: photos, events, documents, etc.

Any information is appreciated!

Thanks for reading this long post. :)

:danke:

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Tuesday, January 26th 2016, 4:44pm

ei Charles,

é filho de:
Ody, Mathias, Sevenich
oo 30.9.1762 Sevenich
Nick, Barbara Tv Matthias Nick und Anna Maria Halfmann aus Sevenich
Matthias * 16.10.1797

é filho de
Ody, Jacob
oo 30.9.1762 Sevenich
Pies, Maria aus Dommershausen
10 crianças
6. Matthias * 26.7.1773 Sevenich

é filho de
Ody, Daniel mestre-escola Sevenich * aproximadamente 1715 + 29.1.1765
oo
N., Anna Maria + 2.11.1789
8 Crianças, tudo sem nascimento
2. Jacob entre 1739 - 1743

muitas saudações a partir do país de origem
Jogy

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Tuesday, January 26th 2016, 7:24pm

... e ainda as mulheres

Schwab, Johann Jacob * 20.12.1766 Beltheim + 7.4.1806 Beltheim
oo 20.2.1798 Beltheim
Schmoll, Maria Margarethe Tv Nicolaus Schmoll und Pfaff Anna Maria aus Beltheim
5 crianças
2. Johann Jacob * 11.4.1800 emigrou em 1846 a partir de um viúvo com crianças de 6 para o Brasil
5. Margaretha * 25.10.1806 Beltheim

Schmoll, Anton Nicolaus * 1743 + 22.2.1817 80 anos de idade, cortador
oo 29.11.1765 Beltheim
Puff, Poff, Anna Maria de Buch + 29.10.1778 Beltheim ++ 31.10.1778 Beltheim
6 crianças
3. Maria Margarethe * 19.11.1770 Beltheim

Schmoll, Anton + 2.2.1790 Beltheim
oo ~1734
(Riegel?), Anna Maria aus Heyweiler + < 1749
4 crianças
4. Anton Nicolaus * 9.5.1743 Beltheim

Schmoll, Peter Carl + > 1717
oo
Groos, Anna
4 crianças tudo sem nascimento
4 Anton * aproximadamente 1710 Beltheim

Pies, Johann Friedrich * ~ 1695 Sabershausen Sv Johann Georg Pies und Catharina Weber
oo
Jacobs, Catharina + 22.10.1701 Dorweiler Tv Michael Jacobs und Elisabeth Hammes de Dorweiler
7 crianças
6. Maria * 23.10.1740


Pies, Johann Georg * ~ 1670 Sabershausen + < 3.1.1724
oo
Weber, Catharina Tv Paul Weber und Anna Kneß de Dommershausen
7 crianças
3. Johann Friedrich * ~ 1695 Sabershausen

Pies, Johann * 7.1641 Dorweiler + > 1692 Sv Johann Schwickard Pies e Anna de Dorweiler
oo ~1670
Költzer, Elisabeth Tv Jonas Költzer e Anna Hammes de Dommershausen
4 crianças
1. Johann Georg * ~1670

Jogy

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Friday, January 29th 2016, 8:05pm

Hallo Jogy,

wow, Du sprichst Portugiesisch - Chapeau.

Aber ich hab ganz andere Fragen.
Ich habe ebenfalls Jacob Ody und Maria Pies in der Ahnenreihe.

Bei mir geht es dann aber mit der Tochter Anna Margaretha Ody (*02.10.1768) weiter, die wohl 1796 in Sevenich Jacob Jacobs geheiratet hat.
Jacob Jacobs war mit seiner Familie als Hirten in verschiedenen Dörfern des Vorderhunsrücks unterwegs - u. a. in Sabershausen, wo mehrere Kinder geboren wurden und evt. in Beulich.
Die Herkunft von Jacob Jacobs habe ich noch nicht gefunden.

Die älteste Tochter Margaretha Jacobs heiratete am 19.04.1824 in Dorweiler Franz Etzkorn mit Dispens.
Dieser Dispens könnte über die Pies-Verwandtschaft aufzuklären sein, aber evt. auch über Jacobs aus Dorweiler.
Die Mutter von Franz Etzkorn war nämlich ebenfalls eine Margaretha Jacobs aus Dorweiler. Allerdings ist die Verbindung zwischen Franz Etzkorn und seiner Ehefrau, die ich über Jacobs bisher rekonstruieren kann, eine Generation zu weit für einen Dispens. Da ich die Herkunft von Jacob Jacobs nicht kenne, weiß ich aber nicht, ob es noch eine nähere Verbindung gibt.

Meine Fragen:
- Gibt es im OFB Sevenich irgendeinen Hinweis zur Herkunft von Jacob Jacobs, der um 1796 Anna Margaretha Ody heiratete?
- kannst Du bitte auch die anderen Kinder von Jacob Ody und Maria Pies sowie von Daniel Ody und Anna Maria N. posten? (Den Vornamen von Daniel Odys Frau kannte ich noch nicht.

Daniel Ody soll, nachdem was mir vor ein paar Jahren eine andere Forscherin geschickt hat, ein Sohn von Dionysos Ody, der in Kastellaun lebte, sein. Er hatte wahrscheinlich noch folgende Geschwister: Johanetta Ody, Catharina Ody und (Johann) Franz Ody. Es gab wohl mal einen Gedenkstein, den die vier Geschwister setzen ließen.

(Franz Ody hatte übrigens ebenfalls einen Sohn namens Daniel. Das kann aber kaum "unser Daniel" sein, da das sonst zeitlich nicht passt.)

Ich gucke mal, ob ich mir damals die Infos der Forscherin ausgedruckt habe.

Ansonsten, wäre es prima, wenn Du nochmal helfen könntest.
Danke

VG
Bärbel

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Friday, January 29th 2016, 8:44pm

Hello Charles,

I guess you wrote a mail to me some weeks ago. Sorry I haven't answered yet.

You wrote that Daniel Ody was the son of Franz Ody - not from Dionysos Ody. That may not be completely right.
Franz Ody had a son called Daniel - that's right. But this son was born and christianed in 1726 - so he is too young to be "our" Daniel Ody.
Our Daniel was already married in the early 1740s. But our Daniel may have been the godfather of Daniel, son of Franz Ody.

About 10 years ago another researcher with Ody-routes sent me information about the early generations. I need to search for the mails (and I hope I've printed them on paper).
The researcher told me, she found evidence that there were four brothers and sisters - children of Dionysos Ody - in Kastellaun in the early 1700s: Daniel, Johann Franz, Johanetta and Catharina. They donated a gravestone for the memory of the sister of the catholic priest of Kastellaun, because they were her heirs.

I will search my paper collection if the mail is still there.

It'll take a bit of time

Greetings from Germany

Bärbel

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Baerbel" (Jan 30th 2016, 1:04pm)


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Friday, January 29th 2016, 9:34pm

Hallo Bärbel,
zu viel der Ehre, Google spricht portugiesisch.

Ofb Sevenich 206
Jacobs, Jacob * 11.9.1775 Sevenich
oo 9.2.1796 Sevenich
Krämer, Anna Maria Tv Michael Krämer aus Sevenich
lt. FB nur Sohn Jacob * 8.1.1797 Sevenich

SV
Jacobs, Anton * 1722 Dorweiler + 19.11.1775 mit 43 Jahren
I. oo 27.11.1747 Mannebach
Christ, Maria, Tv Christine Christ (I.oo Johann Nicolaus Rätz) + 1757
II.oo > 1757
Riegel, Gertrud * 1737 + 10.1.1797 Sevenich mit 60 Jahren
8 Kinder
8. Jacob * 11.9.1775

Sv
Jacobs, Theodor aus Dorweiler + 24.2.1748 Dorweiler ++ 26.2.1748 Dorweiler
oo 19.1.1706 Dorweiler
Hammes, Barbara + 1730 Tv Lorenz Hammes und Maria Margarethe Pies aus Dorweiler
6 Kinder
6. Anton * > 1720

Sv
Jacobs, Peter + 28.3.1708 Dorweiler
oo vor 1674
N. Gertrud
6 Kinder
3. Theodor * 1678

Sv
Jacobs, Wilhelm
oo
N. Anna Ursula + 2.3.1682 Dorweiler
1. Peter

Ody/Pies
Anna Maria * 1.12.1762
Anna Catharina * 25.11.1763
Elisabeth * 24.10.1765
Anna Margarethe * 2.10.1768
Maria Magdalena * 15.9.1770
Matthias * 26.7.1773
Jacob * 22.4.1776
Gertrud * 21.10.1778
Ursula * 13.2.1781 + 9.2.1785
Maria Anna * 31.1.1783 + 23.2.1787

Ody/N.
Edmund + 1753
Jacob
Michael
Elisabeth + 1743
Anna Maria + 1756
Gertrud + 1753
Matthias
Anna Catharina + 1755

Im FB Kastelaun gibt es einen Dionysius Ody, der die von Dir genannten Kinder hat, aber keinen Daniel.


Gruß Jogy

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Jogy" (Jan 29th 2016, 9:39pm)


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Saturday, January 30th 2016, 1:20pm

Hallo Jogy,

vielen, vielen Dank. Du bist wieder einmal Klasse.

Mist. Da suche ich immer noch nach Jacob Jacobs oo Anna Margaretha Ody.

Ich habe das Mail der Ody-Forscherin wiedergefunden. Sie hatte mir 2008 sinngemäß geschrieben:
In der Heilig-Kreuz-Kapelle in Kastellaun wäre heute noch die Grabplatte von Gertraudis Herigs von 1728. Darauf sei die Inschrift: Diesen Stein haben machen lassen Johanetta Weberin, Cathrin Beckerin, Daniel und Franziscus Odi als Herigs Erben." Gertraud Herig soll die Schwester des Kastellauner Pastors gewesen sein.
Das sollte sich leicht überprüfen lassen. (Mal gucken, ob ich es irgendwann mal schaffe, daran zu denken, wenn ich auf dem Hunsrück bin. Ansonsten schicke ich mal meine Mutter mit ner Kamera los.)
Franz Odys Sohn Daniel (*1726 in Kastellaun) war Vorfahre der o.g. Forscherin. Er war Lehrer in Ehrenbreitstein, wo er 1791 starb.

Vielen Dank :)

VG
Bärbel

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Saturday, January 30th 2016, 4:44pm

... aber dass es eine Daniel Ody in der Zeit gab ist sicher:
Ody, Johann Franz Sv Dionysius aus Kastelaun hat einen Sohn Daniel * 1.9.1726. bei der ~ am 3.9. ist als Pate genannt: Daniel Ody und Magdalena Schmitt, beide aus Kastelaun.

Gruß Jogy

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Sunday, February 14th 2016, 10:02pm

You wrote that Daniel Ody was the son of Franz Ody - not from Dionysos Ody. That may not be completely right.
Franz Ody had a son called Daniel - that's right. But this son was born and christianed in 1726 - so he is too young to be "our" Daniel Ody.
Our Daniel was already married in the early 1740s. But our Daniel may have been the godfather of Daniel, son of Franz Ody.


Hello Bärbel, sorry for my delay to reply your post.

I think that maybe reading the information right from the source may clarify what I tried to write before.
All information I got from the following URL: http://gw.geneanet.org/fraloy?lang=pt;m=…iage=on&full=on

Sincerily, your cousin from Brazil :)

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Sunday, February 14th 2016, 10:25pm

I was just forgeting to say Jogy THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

May I also ask you to tell me which FB is listed the family for Mathias Ody oo Margaretha Schwab?

Is it possible to you to share a photo for the record on the mentioned family?

Thanks again.

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Sunday, February 14th 2016, 11:24pm

I just found that Mathias Ody oo Margaretha Schwab family is listed either on FB Laufersweiler (nr 1436) and/or FB Kirchberg.

Do someone could double check if this information is correct?
If true, PLEASE take a photo and send to my email charles.odi@gmail.com.

Thank you very much.

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 9:19am

Hi Charles,
the family book Beltheim only goes to1825.The second marriage with Margarethe Schwabis not included. In the Family books Kirchberg and Laufersweiler no Ody contained.
GreetingJogy

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 1:22pm

[quote='Jogy','index.php?page=Thread&postID=372020#post372020']the family book Beltheim only goes to1825.The second marriage with Margarethe Schwabis not included. In the Family books Kirchberg and Laufersweiler no Ody contained.
GreetingJogy[/quote]Ok, got it.
As per what I know, Mathias record can be found on FB Sevenich, and its first marriage on FB Beltheim - as you just double checked.


On Family Search site I found the marriage of Mathias to Margarethe Schwab on Jan/23/1830, Beltheim.

Is it possible that this is not really Beltheim?
Or it is possible that another FB exist for Beltheim?


It is getting hard to find the second marriage for Mathias. :(

Once again, thanks for you time.

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 2:22pm

Margarete Schwab was Born in Beltheim as Mathias Ody. Then you will have married in Beltheim. But unfortunately, after the acquisition of the data of the church books in the family book Beltheim. After1825 my knowledge are not recognized to the data.

Greeting Jogy

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 3:41pm

[quote='Jogy','index.php?page=Thread&postID=372042#post372042']Margarete Schwab was Born in Beltheim as Mathias Ody. Then you will have married in Beltheim. But unfortunately, after the acquisition of the data of the church books in the family book Beltheim. After1825 my knowledge are not recognized to the data.[/quote]They married 23/January/1830 in Beltheim.

I am more interested on having a photo of a family book for the mentioned marriage, but I only have a photo for the FB on the marriage to Anna Gertrudis Hirt.

:danke:

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 8:20pm

Hello Charles,

Hello Bärbel, sorry for my delay to reply your post.

I think that maybe reading the information right from the source may clarify what I tried to write before.
All information I got from the following URL: http://gw.geneanet.org/fraloy?lang=pt;m=D;p=dionysos;n=ody&siblings=on¬es=on&t=T&v=6&image=on&marriage=on&full=on

Sincerily, your cousin from Brazil :)
thanks for your reply :) . (No problem that it took some time. It is the same here.)

Thanks for the link. I think I got your ideas right.
But there were two different Daniel Ody: - One was the son of Johann Franz Ody, born 1726; the other one was his godfather (and probably oncle). Daniel Ody, born 1726, son of Johann Franz Ody can not be identical with Daniel Ody, teacher (Schulmeister) at Sevenich (oo Anna Maria N.).
Daniel Ody, born 1726, son of Johann Franz Ody was teacher at Ehrenbreitstein (part of Koblenz today). He had a familiy there and died in 1791 at Ehrenbreitstein.

But there was an older Daniel Ody - see answer No 8 from Jogy here. Jogy quoted the entry of the baptism of Daniel Ody, son of Johann Franz Ody from the 3rd of September 1726. The godfathers name is "Daniel Ody" too. This older Daniel Ody (born before or roundabout 1700) is most probably the teacher that lived at Sevenich and had a family there.
As there is only one older Ody-family at Kastellaun before 1700 it is most probable, that OUR Daniel Ody (the older one) was a son of Dionysius Ody, teacher at Kastellaun. Our Daniel may have been a brother of Catharina, Johanetta and Johann Franz Ody, but can NOT be the son of Johann Franz Ody.
As I've written before, it is said, that there is still a gravestone at Kastellaun on which is inscripted it was donated by Johanetta Weber, Cathrin Becker, Daniel and Franz Ody as heirs. I couldn't prove this by now, but I will see if I find some proofs.

There for:

There were two different Daniel Ody:

a) the younger Daniel: he was the son of (Johann) Franz Ody and Elisabeth, born 1st September, baptist 3rd September 1726 at Kastelaun, teacher at Ehrenbreitstein, married with kids there, died 1791 at Ehrenbreitstein

b) the older Daniel: godfather of the younger Daniel at the 3rd September 1726 at Kastellaun; probably son of Dionysius Ody and brother of Johanneta, Catharina and Franz Ody from Kastellaun (I guess over 90% for Daniel to be a son of Dionysius); most probable teacher at Sevenich, married to Anna Maria with kids at Sevenich, died 1765 at Sevenich (99,5%)

Most probable (99,5%) b) is our ancestor - even if there is no last proof.

Obrigada meu primo

Cumprimentos

Bärbel

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Monday, February 15th 2016, 9:32pm

Bärbel,
This is all rich information. And I see that ODY generations have a story on teaching others.

- Dionysios was a teacher;
- Daniel (*1726) was schoolmaster (a principal on a school I suppose).
- two that emigrated to Brazil by 1861 were also teachers: Phillip and Johann Peter.


Also, Phillip was honored a school named with its "brazilian" name, "Filipe Ody". There is curious story that tells that due to Phillip severity, he was much more respected by the comunity than the citizen local authorities.

I have photos of some ODY immigrants families for Catharina Ody oo Johann Pöersch III, Johann Peter Ody oo Gertrudes Winter. And for the family of a daughter of Maria Catharina Ody oo Johannes Wagner. If you are interested send me an email to charles.odi@gmail.com ( ODI, not ODY).


Greetings from Brazil!

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Tuesday, May 10th 2016, 4:31pm

Hello Baerbel! Hello Jogy!

I don´t know if you need or have interest but since you´re helping me to solve to mistery on Ody ancestors, I´d like to share the following. I got some event´s place & dates - from official documents from Germany.

Starting on my gran gran granfather - imigrant:
1. Peter Joseph Ody, 11/04/1845 Beltheim - 19/06/1924 Montenegro, RS state, Brazil

2. Ody, Mathias *16/10/1797 Sevenich - +10/04/1855 Beltheim
oo 23/01/1830, Beltheim
3. Schwab, Margaretha *25/10/1806 Beltheim - +30/05/1858 Beltheim

4. Ody, Mathias *26/07/1773 Sevenich - +16/07/1805 Sevenich
oo 17/01/1796, Sevenich
5. Nick, Anna Barbara *01/05/1778 Sevenich - +25/03/1814 Sevenich

6. Schwab, Johann Jakob *19/02/1760 Beltheim - +07/04/1806 Beltheim
oo 20/02/1798, Beltheim??
7. Schmoll, Maria Margaretha *19/11/1770 Beltheim - +?

8. Jakob Ody, ~1740 Sevenich - +?
oo 30/09/1762, Sevenich
9. Pies, Anna Maria *23/10/1740 Dommershausen - +?

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Wednesday, May 11th 2016, 12:11pm

Hallo Charles,
es geht noch weiter:

Sv
Ody, Daniel, Schulmeister in Sevenich
* um 1707 + 29.1.1765 Sevenich
oo
N. Anna Maria * um 1709 + 2.11.1789 ca. 80 Jahre alt
8 Kinder
2. Jacob * um 1740 Sevenich

Gruß Jogy

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Tuesday, May 31st 2016, 6:56pm

Marriage date and place found for Schwab oo Ody

Hello Jogy, hello Baerbel.

I got some documentation that directed me to the marriage date.

Please check the image attached to this post.

Do you now how can I get an official copy of their marriage certificate?

Regards-
Charles
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