BARTELS or PRALOW in Malchow and Rostock

  • Hello


    I am trying to find out if Mariane BARTELS, the mother in the following 1867 census entry...


    Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census 1867
    Malchow: 5157 (S.A. MALCHOW)
    Image 176 of 205

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18101-113660-97


    ...is the same lady as "Frau BARTELS ? PRALOW", the widow mentioned in this 1900 Zählkarten census entry...


    Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census, 1900
    St. Jakobi-Gemeinde, Rostock (weibliche Zählkarten): 2296 (Rostock)
    Image 171 of 1626

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11082-132646-0


    Here is her corresponding Haushaltungslisten census entry...


    Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census, 1900
    St. Jakobi-Gemeinde, Rostock (Haushaltungslisten): 2272 (Rostock)
    Image 588 of 891

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11757-67603-43


    Where can I look to find an 1855-ish marriage for Carl BARTELS and his wife Mariane, who in 1900 is hopefully Anna BARTELS née PRALOW.


    Or is there a birth index for the children mentioned in the 1867 census which will list the maiden name of the mother.


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    Failing that, do you think the marriage or births would be found in the following church books...


    Kirchenbuch, 1698-1888
    Evangelische Kirche Malchow

    https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/214075


    Many thanks
    Beg

  • Anna was born in Malchow, she lived in Malchow 1867. Most likely the children were born there too. The marriage may not have been happened in the town, but it is possible that it is at least mentioned in the church records of Malchow. In the later 19th century the pastors also noted the proclamation of marriages, if bride and/or groom are of his parish. So I would suggest looking through the films you found.

    Warnung, frei laufenden Bären niemals auf die Schnauze hauen!

  • Quote from Zwobot


    Anna was born in Malchow, she lived in Malchow 1867.


    Hello Zwobot...


    Thanks very much for your reply.


    I don't read German so what part of Anna's 1900 census form says that she lived in Malchow in 1867.


    Regards
    Beg

  • In her census card of 1900 the line number 5 "Geburtsort" is the birth place and it says Malchow.


    And you provided the 1867 household list yourself, so the family was enumerated in Malchow 1867. ;)

    Warnung, frei laufenden Bären niemals auf die Schnauze hauen!

  • Hello again Zwobot,


    My apologies :-)


    I meant to ask what makes you say that "Mariane" (1867) and "Anna" (1900) are the same person.


    I hope that they are but I have no proof that they are.


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    One other question please...


    On the 1900 Zählkarten what is the word on line 1 between "BARTELS" and "PRALOW". It looks like "ynb."


    Many thanks again
    Beg


  • No apologies needed, it seems to be me fault. :S


    Nonetheless, looking through the church records should give an answer. Looking for the marriage record of Mariane and looking for the birth record Anna should do the trick.

    Warnung, frei laufenden Bären niemals auf die Schnauze hauen!

  • Hello again...


    @ Renate - Thanks for the translation


    @ Zwobot - Yes it looks like loaning the microfilms from FamilySearch is the way to go.


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    One last question :-)


    Would it be worthwhile contacting the Registry Office (Standesamt) in Rostock and asking them to search their records for the death of Frau Anna BARTELS geborene PRALOW. I assume she would have died between 1900 and 1940. She may have moved from 51 Feldstrasse(?) but maybe not.


    The following webpage has a few email links I could try...


    Bereiche des Standesamtes
    http://rathaus.rostock.de/sixc…e_standesamt_de&_sid1=r..


    Is contacting a local registry office common practice in German genealogy or not.


    Thanks again for your advice :-)


    Regards
    Beg

  • You may directly ask the Stadtarchiv (city archive) they have all death records up to 1983. In Germany records are moved from civil registry to archives after some time (110 years for birth records, 80 for marriages and 30 for deaths).
    http://rathaus.rostock.de/sixc…7.de&_sid3=&_sid4=&_sid5=



    I looked in the address books of Rostock which are available at ancestry.com:


    1900 Bartels, A., Wittwe, Helenenstr. 19
    1904 no entry
    1908 Bartels, M., geb. Pralow, Wwe., Kasernenstr. 15
    1910 Bartels, Marie, geb. Pralow, Wwe., Kasernenstr. 72
    1912 Bartels, Mirjahne, Wwe., Borwinstr. 28
    1914 no entry
    1918 no entry


    It may help to narrow down the year of death.

    Warnung, frei laufenden Bären niemals auf die Schnauze hauen!

  • Hello again Zwobot :-)


    What a great find. Thanks again for taking the time to help.


    I have another "one last question" :-)


    I looked at the Rostock addresses on ancestry and there is a 1900 and a 1902 entry for a BARTELS at Feldstrasse 51. I think this is the address on the 1900 Haushaltungslisten


    1900 Haushaltungslisten - Image 588 of 891
    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11757-67603-43


    1900 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1n/


    1902 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1o/


    Do the entries list Frau BARTELS as a blacksmith's widow (Schmiede-Wwe). I ask because there is a C BARTELS living in various addresses on Feldstrasse from 1877 onwards and he is a Schmiedegeselle, which google tells me is an assistant blacksmith.


    Unfortunately there is also an 1896 entry for C BARTELS and his wife Marianna geb. PRALOW which lists Herr BARTELS as a factory worker (fabrikarbeiter), not a blacksmith. Also there is a "Jahr d. Ausbebg. - 1873". Not sure what that means.


    Are you able to make any sense of it :-)


    1896 - Factory Worker
    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1p/


    1896 Residents Directory (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1q/


    Once again, thanks for your help. I'm pretty sure we're on the right track. Hopefully the next step will be certificates and parish registers.


    All the best
    Beg